The Market area was not cleaned again this Wednesday prior to the Market opening , no council cleaning was undertaken between 6.30amd and 3.00pm , frankly whoever told you it is was was lying !!
Regards
Mike
Wednesday, 17 September 2008
Market rubbish again before the market opens
Hello Fiona , ,
The Market area was not cleaned again this Wednesday prior to the Market opening , no council cleaning was undertaken between 6.30amd and 3.00pm , frankly whoever told you it is was was lying !!
Regards
Mike
The Market area was not cleaned again this Wednesday prior to the Market opening , no council cleaning was undertaken between 6.30amd and 3.00pm , frankly whoever told you it is was was lying !!
Regards
Mike
Hello Jai , pigeons still very much in evidence !
Hello Jai ,
You seem to have gone quiet on your Hawk ,
The Pigeons are still in Hemel , Harbana doesn't seem to have succeeded !!
You seem to have gone quiet on your Hawk ,
The Pigeons are still in Hemel , Harbana doesn't seem to have succeeded !!
Wednesday, 10 September 2008
The Stalls Have been cleaned , but not very well .
To Tim Button
Senior Manager Environmental Health
Dacorum Borough Council
Hello Tim ,
Well the Market tables have been cleaned after a fashion , I give the cleaner 3 out of 10 , I don't know whether you have had an opportunity to see the cleaned tables , if not there are some pictures here of the "cleaned" stalls
I understand from a friend who saw the cleaning under way that the Contractor who cleaned the tables on behalf of the council used a high pressure car cleaner of the type you can buy in Halfords , not very adequate I only , I only hope that they haven't paid the contractor yet and get him to return and do some more work to earn his money
Regards
Mike
Senior Manager Environmental Health
Dacorum Borough Council
Hello Tim ,
Well the Market tables have been cleaned after a fashion , I give the cleaner 3 out of 10 , I don't know whether you have had an opportunity to see the cleaned tables , if not there are some pictures here of the "cleaned" stalls
I understand from a friend who saw the cleaning under way that the Contractor who cleaned the tables on behalf of the council used a high pressure car cleaner of the type you can buy in Halfords , not very adequate I only , I only hope that they haven't paid the contractor yet and get him to return and do some more work to earn his money
Regards
Mike
Friday, 5 September 2008
MP to the fore ?
To: PENNINGM@parliament.uk
Subject: Fwd: RE: Pigeon Muck on Hemel Market
Hello Mike ,
The Dacorum Conservative councils handling of the Hemel Market structure leaves a lot to be desired , and doesn't reflect well on the Conservative Party in power locally ,
it really needs guidance from a " higher power " not God
Regards
Mike
Subject: Fwd: RE: Pigeon Muck on Hemel Market
Hello Mike ,
The Dacorum Conservative councils handling of the Hemel Market structure leaves a lot to be desired , and doesn't reflect well on the Conservative Party in power locally ,
it really needs guidance from a " higher power " not God
Regards
Mike
Some partial success ??
To:
Subject: RE: Pigeon Muck on Hemel Market
Hello Collette ,
Thanks for your email , yes I have received a mail from Tim Button ,Senior Manager Environmental Health , Dacorum Borough Council who said that Peter Hamilton already has the matter in hand and that cleaning will take place in the next few days . Well done all of you !!
Unfortunately though this will just be an interim measure as unless something concrete is done the problem will only reoccur .
I understand that the " Pub " on the Market / Bus Station site is being refurbished at the moment and has a life expectancy of 7 years before it is due to be flattened for the new development , so I assume unless the council do a "Pavillion" on the Market structure and remove it , it will also be around for 7 more years ,
Surely the council should use the structure during this period to benefit the community and produce some revenue
I believe that with a modest Capital expenditure programme on the Market structure it could be readily used for alternatives to the just the market and could be used 7 days a week not 1
Regards
Mike
At 10:19 05/09/2008, you wrote:
Dear Mike, I understand that a council officer has contacted you regarding
the Market Square informing you that the pigeon mess will be cleared up
within the next few days. I hope you will agree that this is not a 'cop
out' kind regards Cllr Colette Wyatt-Lowe
Subject: Hemel Hempstead Market
To: jmw.bedford@ntlworld.com
From: Tim.Button@dacorum.gov.uk
Dear Mr Child,
Your message regarding the above has been passed to me.
I have looked at the Market Square and agree that there are areas that need
to be cleared of pigeon waste. As a result I have spoken to Peter Hamilton
in the Council's Property & Asset Management Division. He has already
arranged for this work to be carried out and I am told that this will take
place in the next few days.
Regards,
Tim Button
Senior Manager Environmental Health
Dacorum Borough Council
Subject: RE: Pigeon Muck on Hemel Market
Hello Collette ,
Thanks for your email , yes I have received a mail from Tim Button ,Senior Manager Environmental Health , Dacorum Borough Council who said that Peter Hamilton already has the matter in hand and that cleaning will take place in the next few days . Well done all of you !!
Unfortunately though this will just be an interim measure as unless something concrete is done the problem will only reoccur .
I understand that the " Pub " on the Market / Bus Station site is being refurbished at the moment and has a life expectancy of 7 years before it is due to be flattened for the new development , so I assume unless the council do a "Pavillion" on the Market structure and remove it , it will also be around for 7 more years ,
Surely the council should use the structure during this period to benefit the community and produce some revenue
I believe that with a modest Capital expenditure programme on the Market structure it could be readily used for alternatives to the just the market and could be used 7 days a week not 1
Regards
Mike
At 10:19 05/09/2008, you wrote:
Dear Mike, I understand that a council officer has contacted you regarding
the Market Square informing you that the pigeon mess will be cleared up
within the next few days. I hope you will agree that this is not a 'cop
out' kind regards Cllr Colette Wyatt-Lowe
Subject: Hemel Hempstead Market
To: jmw.bedford@ntlworld.com
From: Tim.Button@dacorum.gov.uk
Dear Mr Child,
Your message regarding the above has been passed to me.
I have looked at the Market Square and agree that there are areas that need
to be cleared of pigeon waste. As a result I have spoken to Peter Hamilton
in the Council's Property & Asset Management Division. He has already
arranged for this work to be carried out and I am told that this will take
place in the next few days.
Regards,
Tim Button
Senior Manager Environmental Health
Dacorum Borough Council
Thursday, 4 September 2008
What are feral pigeons and how to control them , click HERE
This is a really good site for information on feral pigeons
Wednesday, 3 September 2008
Has the cavalry arrived ?
Cc: Michael.Moore@dacorum.gov.uk
Subject: Re: Pigeon Muck on Hemel Market
From: Keith.White@dacorum.gov.uk
Thank you for your email.
As you will know the Conservative run (dominated) council is going through a process of cutting services and funding for things such as maintenance of the market and street cleansing have been serverly cut.
I will however, raise the issue of cleaning of the market area and see what I can find out. I am copying this reply to my colleague Cllr. Mike Moore who is the ward councillor for Hemel Central, which includes the market.
Regards
Cllr. Keith White
Leader of the Labour Group.
Subject: Re: Pigeon Muck on Hemel Market
From: Keith.White@dacorum.gov.uk
Thank you for your email.
As you will know the Conservative run (dominated) council is going through a process of cutting services and funding for things such as maintenance of the market and street cleansing have been serverly cut.
I will however, raise the issue of cleaning of the market area and see what I can find out. I am copying this reply to my colleague Cllr. Mike Moore who is the ward councillor for Hemel Central, which includes the market.
Regards
Cllr. Keith White
Leader of the Labour Group.
Hello Jai , the pigeons take no notice of Harbana !!
A spokesmen from Docorum Borough Council said: "The pigeons will learn this is Harbana's spot not theirs , ( hope they've got a red face )
NBC's blurb
Unlike audio or mechanical devices, birds never habituate to the presence of a live predator. Although unknown to the birds, falconry is a non-lethal bird deterrent measure that can be carried out without legal threat.
These systems are natural and effective in scaring birds without the need to catch the prey, making it acceptable to the public and a great opportunity for some positive PR.
Town centre pigeons 7.00am 3 9 08 they don't seem to have heard of Harbana
NBC's blurb
Unlike audio or mechanical devices, birds never habituate to the presence of a live predator. Although unknown to the birds, falconry is a non-lethal bird deterrent measure that can be carried out without legal threat.
These systems are natural and effective in scaring birds without the need to catch the prey, making it acceptable to the public and a great opportunity for some positive PR.
Town centre pigeons 7.00am 3 9 08 they don't seem to have heard of Harbana
Hurray they are going to clean the tables !!
| To: "neil harden" Subject: RE: Pigeon Muck on Hemel Market |
Hello Neil ,
Thanks for your email with email copy from Peter ,
I don't think Peter's reply is particularly helpful ,
I am aware that the Market structure has a limited life due to the redevelopment plans , but I would have thought these would be "on hold " at the moment in the present economic climate , as the need for more shops ( 160,000 sq feet ) and flats and houses must have gone down in priority . I guess that the shopping area would have funded a large part of the other developments ,
I have been told by one of the shops adjacent to the market that their lease has been renewed , which I guess mean that the shops are going to be there for another three years at least and so presumably the Market Structure the same period of time .
Peter states " We installed pigeon proofing to the under side of the roof structure but in some areas this has been removed by the vandals " Yes pigeon proofing in places , but why hasn't it been put back ? Also none of the lights and much of the structure has never been pigeon proofed .
Peter states "The birds apparently sit on the fixed table tops quite regularly and for six days they have the place to themselves " , yes they have the place to themselves for 6 days , why ? Because the council and its executive have got into a mind set that as the area is to be redeveloped nothing needs to be done , I suspect if the council had its way the structure would go and there would be an empty space until redevelopment vis a vis The Pavilion a grassy knoll 2002 to 2008 until when 2020 ?!!
Peter states , " I am not sure what the long term answer is " shouldn't you employ people who do know ? It's not brain surgery an obvious solution suggests itself to anyone who visits the site and although this would involve a moderate Capital Outlay it would be beneficial to the local community for the 3 years or more ( 10 years ) that this structure continues in existence and would also generate revenue for the council over the same period .
I look forward to seeing the tables cleaned and some of the pigeon proofing being reinstated but I am not holding my breath !
Regards
Mike
At 22:33 01/09/2008, you wrote:
Thanks for your email with email copy from Peter ,
I don't think Peter's reply is particularly helpful ,
I am aware that the Market structure has a limited life due to the redevelopment plans , but I would have thought these would be "on hold " at the moment in the present economic climate , as the need for more shops ( 160,000 sq feet ) and flats and houses must have gone down in priority . I guess that the shopping area would have funded a large part of the other developments ,
I have been told by one of the shops adjacent to the market that their lease has been renewed , which I guess mean that the shops are going to be there for another three years at least and so presumably the Market Structure the same period of time .
Peter states " We installed pigeon proofing to the under side of the roof structure but in some areas this has been removed by the vandals " Yes pigeon proofing in places , but why hasn't it been put back ? Also none of the lights and much of the structure has never been pigeon proofed .
Peter states "The birds apparently sit on the fixed table tops quite regularly and for six days they have the place to themselves " , yes they have the place to themselves for 6 days , why ? Because the council and its executive have got into a mind set that as the area is to be redeveloped nothing needs to be done , I suspect if the council had its way the structure would go and there would be an empty space until redevelopment vis a vis The Pavilion a grassy knoll 2002 to 2008 until when 2020 ?!!
Peter states , " I am not sure what the long term answer is " shouldn't you employ people who do know ? It's not brain surgery an obvious solution suggests itself to anyone who visits the site and although this would involve a moderate Capital Outlay it would be beneficial to the local community for the 3 years or more ( 10 years ) that this structure continues in existence and would also generate revenue for the council over the same period .
I look forward to seeing the tables cleaned and some of the pigeon proofing being reinstated but I am not holding my breath !
Regards
Mike
At 22:33 01/09/2008, you wrote:
Dear Neil,
We installed pigeon proofing to the under side of the roof structure but in some areas this has been removed by the vandals who seem to congregate around the market at nights. The numerous take away establishments near by don't help the situation , as there always seems a ready supply of food thrown around which apart from the birds also attracts rats.
The birds apparently sit on the fixed table tops quite regularly and for six days they have the place to themselves as you are aware the general market has been relocated. We have a few years back introduced some dummy owls to the roof which worked quite well but the pigeons have recently come back with a vengeance.
I am not sure what the long term answer is but I will arrange for the table tops to be washed down and the pigeon proofing to be replaced where missing.
Regards Peter
Dear Michael,
I hope this information is beneficial for you.
Regards,
Councillor Neil Harden
Representative for Boxmoor ward
Dacorum Borough Council
From: Mi [mailto:jmw.bedford@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 28 August 2008 07:23
To: neil.harden@dacorum.gov.uk
Subject: Pigeon Muck on Hemel Market
Monday, 1 September 2008
This is what the council rely on to get rid of pigeons
This is what the council rely on to get rid of pigeons , according to the council it has rid the Marlowes of pigeons , unfortunately I've never seen the Hawks by the Market , I guess any pigeon that temporarily leaves the Marlowes heads our way !! 
NBC's two year old Harris Hawk named Habana has been busy soaring above Hemel Hempstead town centre to scare pigeons away from shopping streets. Dacorum Borough Council has drafted in the services of NBC Bird and Pest Solutions, as an answer to their pigeon problem. The council have previously spent thousands of pounds each year removing pigeon droppings and feel this environmentally-friendly method of falconry will finally rid the town of it's bird problem.
A spokesmen from Docorum Borough Council said: "The pigeons will learn this is Harbana's spot not theirs"
Harbana, and Jon Ellis the Area Manager for St Albans, Watford and Luton, have both become local celebrities in the area appearing in Hemel Hempstead Gazette, Chiltern FM and Three Counties Radio.
Below is what the falcon people really say , and why the council use it ! It doesn't get rid of the pigeons just moves them somewhere else , a bit like CCTV cameras , but it is good PR for the Council !
Falconry Response – Where clients have a population of nuisance birds but are unable to restrict their access through proofing measures such as netting, NBC Bird and Pest Solutions uses falconry response as a method of bird control, making the area undesirable to the birds and encouraging them to establish a new pattern of behaviour in another area.
Unlike audio or mechanical devices, birds never habituate to the presence of a live predator. Although unknown to the birds, falconry is a non-lethal bird deterrent measure that can be carried out without legal threat.
These systems are natural and effective in scaring birds without the need to catch the prey, making it acceptable to the public and a great opportunity for some positive PR.
NBC's two year old Harris Hawk named Habana has been busy soaring above Hemel Hempstead town centre to scare pigeons away from shopping streets. Dacorum Borough Council has drafted in the services of NBC Bird and Pest Solutions, as an answer to their pigeon problem. The council have previously spent thousands of pounds each year removing pigeon droppings and feel this environmentally-friendly method of falconry will finally rid the town of it's bird problem.
A spokesmen from Docorum Borough Council said: "The pigeons will learn this is Harbana's spot not theirs"
Harbana, and Jon Ellis the Area Manager for St Albans, Watford and Luton, have both become local celebrities in the area appearing in Hemel Hempstead Gazette, Chiltern FM and Three Counties Radio.
Below is what the falcon people really say , and why the council use it ! It doesn't get rid of the pigeons just moves them somewhere else , a bit like CCTV cameras , but it is good PR for the Council !
Falconry Response – Where clients have a population of nuisance birds but are unable to restrict their access through proofing measures such as netting, NBC Bird and Pest Solutions uses falconry response as a method of bird control, making the area undesirable to the birds and encouraging them to establish a new pattern of behaviour in another area.
Unlike audio or mechanical devices, birds never habituate to the presence of a live predator. Although unknown to the birds, falconry is a non-lethal bird deterrent measure that can be carried out without legal threat.
These systems are natural and effective in scaring birds without the need to catch the prey, making it acceptable to the public and a great opportunity for some positive PR.
Dacorum Environmental Health , What are they doing ??
To: Lesley.Hastings@dacorum.gov.uk
Subject: Re: Hemel Hempstead Market
Hello Lesley ,
Thank you for your email ,
I look forward to the manager of your pollution teams comments in due course
Regards Mike
Subject: Re: Hemel Hempstead Market
To: Mi
From: Lesley.Hastings@dacorum.gov.uk
Hi Mike
Sorry haven't replied sooner but do not return to office until Wednesday
lunchtimes.
I will give a copy of your email to the manager of our pollution team for
his comments.
Regards
Lesley
Surely the Environmental health people on Dacorum Borough Council should investigate a complaint with at least a site visit rather than ask Council employees with a vested interest to comment , still it will be interesting to hear what they and Mr Guiton say if anything at all !!
3 ) ME TO ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AGAIN
To: Lesley.Hastings@dacorum.gov.uk
Subject: Re: Hemel Hempstead Market
Hello Lesey ,
Thanks for your email ,
I'm not really interested in what Mr Guiton has to say , I want to know when and what you are going to do as the environmental health department of the council
Regards
Mike
2) ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH TO ME
Subject: Re: Hemel Hempstead Market
To: Michael Child
Cc: Jim.Guiton@dacorum.gov.uk
From: Lesley.Hastings@dacorum.gov.uk
Good morning.
I am forwarding your email to Mr Jim Guiton, Town Centre Manager for his
response. His direct line number, should you wish to ring him is 01442
228338
Regards
Lesley Hastings
Mich
environmental.health@dacorum.gov.uk
28/08/2008 10:52 cc
Subject
Hemel Hempstead Market
1 ) ME TO ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH
Dear Sirs ,
I am Writing to complain about the serious health hazard of the
copious quantities of pigeon excrement on and around the stalls of
Hemel Hempstead market where my wife works on a Wednesday ,
I have been advised by the Health and Safety at Work department to
contact yourselves about this initially
The Market is covered in pigeons droppings and the council do nothing
to ameliorate the problem , you cannot place any goods on et ground
without it touching pigeons muck .
You can see pictures of this at www.hemelhemsteadmarket.co.uk and the
clicking the Market Rubbish link
Regards
M J Child
Subject: Re: Hemel Hempstead Market
Hello Lesley ,
Thank you for your email ,
I look forward to the manager of your pollution teams comments in due course
Regards Mike
Subject: Re: Hemel Hempstead Market
To: Mi
From: Lesley.Hastings@dacorum.gov.uk
Hi Mike
Sorry haven't replied sooner but do not return to office until Wednesday
lunchtimes.
I will give a copy of your email to the manager of our pollution team for
his comments.
Regards
Lesley
Surely the Environmental health people on Dacorum Borough Council should investigate a complaint with at least a site visit rather than ask Council employees with a vested interest to comment , still it will be interesting to hear what they and Mr Guiton say if anything at all !!
3 ) ME TO ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AGAIN
To: Lesley.Hastings@dacorum.gov.uk
Subject: Re: Hemel Hempstead Market
Hello Lesey ,
Thanks for your email ,
I'm not really interested in what Mr Guiton has to say , I want to know when and what you are going to do as the environmental health department of the council
Regards
Mike
2) ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH TO ME
Subject: Re: Hemel Hempstead Market
To: Michael Child
Cc: Jim.Guiton@dacorum.gov.uk
From: Lesley.Hastings@dacorum.gov.uk
Good morning.
I am forwarding your email to Mr Jim Guiton, Town Centre Manager for his
response. His direct line number, should you wish to ring him is 01442
228338
Regards
Lesley Hastings
Mich
environmental.health@dacorum.gov.uk
28/08/2008 10:52 cc
Subject
Hemel Hempstead Market
1 ) ME TO ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH
Dear Sirs ,
I am Writing to complain about the serious health hazard of the
copious quantities of pigeon excrement on and around the stalls of
Hemel Hempstead market where my wife works on a Wednesday ,
I have been advised by the Health and Safety at Work department to
contact yourselves about this initially
The Market is covered in pigeons droppings and the council do nothing
to ameliorate the problem , you cannot place any goods on et ground
without it touching pigeons muck .
You can see pictures of this at www.hemelhemsteadmarket.co.uk and the
clicking the Market Rubbish link
Regards
M J Child
Reply to Colette
Hello Colette ,
Thank you for your email ,
No I do not live in the borough , but my wife works on the market , so I have an interest in her health , and do not appreciate the disgusting surroundings that she has to work in !! . I can't see why my not living in the borough precludes you corresponding with me that seems to me to be a cop out , or is it in the local councillors manual that you can't talk to people with an interest in the town !
Although some of the pigeon proofing on the market has been vandalised , the majority of the " pigeon perches " in the market have never been covered , and you have clearly not looked carefully at the market or you wouldn't have made such an inappropriate comment
The hawks are an interesting diversion , yes the pigeons do fly away for about an hour and then return , totally cost ineffective . I'll post some more pictures on the site next week showing just how pitifully ineffective they are .
I look forward to receiving you further comments
Regards
Mike
Thank you for your email ,
No I do not live in the borough , but my wife works on the market , so I have an interest in her health , and do not appreciate the disgusting surroundings that she has to work in !! . I can't see why my not living in the borough precludes you corresponding with me that seems to me to be a cop out , or is it in the local councillors manual that you can't talk to people with an interest in the town !
Although some of the pigeon proofing on the market has been vandalised , the majority of the " pigeon perches " in the market have never been covered , and you have clearly not looked carefully at the market or you wouldn't have made such an inappropriate comment
The hawks are an interesting diversion , yes the pigeons do fly away for about an hour and then return , totally cost ineffective . I'll post some more pictures on the site next week showing just how pitifully ineffective they are .
I look forward to receiving you further comments
Regards
Mike
Cllr Colette Wyatt-Lowe
From: "Colette Wyatt-Lowe"
To: "'Mich'"
Subject: RE: Pigeon Muck on Hemel Market
Dear Michael, Many thanks for your comments on the subject of 'pigeon
muck'. I completely agree that it is unsightly and unhealthy. We do a lot
of preventative work in the town centre. You may have seen the harris hawk
which flies regularly and is approved by the RSPB as a humane method of
deterring the pigeons nesting. With regard to your comments about the
market place. Mr Hamilton is perfectly correct when he states that pigeon
prevention materials have been removed by vandals. The situation in the old
market square is being addressed as a matter of urgency and I would be more
than happy to keep you advised of measures to be taken. However, it would
be inappropriate for me to do so without first ascertaining that you are
resident within the borough. Could you please email me your full address
and I would then be happy to correspond with you. I would also like to
congratulate you on a very professional website which shows many positive
images. Looking forward to hearing from you. Kind regards
Cllr Colette Wyatt-Lowe
To: "'Mich'"
Subject: RE: Pigeon Muck on Hemel Market
Dear Michael, Many thanks for your comments on the subject of 'pigeon
muck'. I completely agree that it is unsightly and unhealthy. We do a lot
of preventative work in the town centre. You may have seen the harris hawk
which flies regularly and is approved by the RSPB as a humane method of
deterring the pigeons nesting. With regard to your comments about the
market place. Mr Hamilton is perfectly correct when he states that pigeon
prevention materials have been removed by vandals. The situation in the old
market square is being addressed as a matter of urgency and I would be more
than happy to keep you advised of measures to be taken. However, it would
be inappropriate for me to do so without first ascertaining that you are
resident within the borough. Could you please email me your full address
and I would then be happy to correspond with you. I would also like to
congratulate you on a very professional website which shows many positive
images. Looking forward to hearing from you. Kind regards
Cllr Colette Wyatt-Lowe
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